For reasons like availability problems and overcoming social conditioning some
people just can't drink raw milk.  I've been thinking about the cultures they
sell for cheesemaking, which is my current obsession.  If you can't get raw milk
or can't drink it, is culturing fresh store milk a good alternative?

It seems to me pretty reasonable cost-wise.  Kefir is a one-time investment.  My
cultures I used for making butter cost $6 something and are good for around 32
gallons of milk.  At least then it has something alive in it, creating
(hopefully) some enzymes and making some of the nutrients more bioavailable. 
(there are two categories of cultures for making cheese - mesophilic means
active at room temperature, like kefir, and thermophilic means it requires heat
to work, like yogurt).  The cultures they sell on www.thecheesemaker.com produce
different flavors and textures in the milk.  We used one that kept the milk's
fluidity but made it taste rich and buttery (day 1 - second day it had yogurt-y
flavors but pleasant - made great ice cream!).  Some will thicken it like creme
fraiche.

Cheesemaking has some interesting additives - calcium chloride is added to milk,
to as they say restore the damaged protein so it behaves more like raw milk. 
Huh.  I didn't know that was so easily accomplished.  It also adds calcium to
the milk in a form that is bioavailable to yeasts and good bacteria which helps
them thrive.

Lipase powder breaks down the fat molecules.  I wonder if that would help people
who have troble digesting the homogenized milk??  But I just read lipase is
responsible for making milk taste rancid, so probably it would not be palatable.

There are a lot of interesting milk tidbits here:
http://www.answers.com/topic/dairy-product-2

yes, this is what NT says on p. 33 and p. 35 - use cultured dairy if you cannot
handle or find raw dairy. unhomogenized would be better than homogenized.

--- In native-nutrition@yahoogroups.com, "haecklers" <haecklers@...> wrote:
>
> For reasons like availability problems and overcoming social conditioning some
people just can't drink raw milk.  I've been thinking about the cultures they
sell for cheesemaking, which is my current obsession.  If you can't get raw milk
or can't drink it, is culturing fresh store milk a good alternative?

Galen Knight, in a previous edition of Wise Traditions, said that he doesn¹t
recommend any zeolite. He recommends diatomaceous earth instead. It¹s much
cheaper too.


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> http://www.allnaturalprevention.com/pages/zeolite-faq.htm
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> I'm curious to know if quality zeolite is worth the $30-$50 it costs a month?
>
> It's cheaper to get sodium bicarb, various algaes, and azomite.  Are there any
> special properties of zeolite no other brand can mimick?
>
> Yours Truly,
> Dan Holt
>
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How much diatomaceous earth is good to have with each meal?  Is it alkaline?

Yours Truly,
Dan Holt

On Jun 2, 2009, at 1:04 PM, Katrina Cabral <katwoman1934@...> wrote:



Galen Knight, in a previous edition of Wise Traditions, said that he doesn’t
recommend any zeolite. He recommends diatomaceous earth instead. It’s much
cheaper too.

On 5/31/09 2:21 AM, "Daniel Holt" <danthemanholt@...> wrote:

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> I'm curious to know if quality zeolite is worth the $30-$50 it costs a month?
>
> It's cheaper to get sodium bicarb, various algaes, and azomite. Are there any
> special properties of zeolite no other brand can mimick?
>
> Yours Truly,
> Dan Holt
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http://www.blogtalkradio.com/undergroundwellness


Eat Fat, Lose Fat! w/ Sally Fallon
Sally Fallon, author of the books Eat Fat, Lose Fat and Nourishing
Traditions, joins Sean Croxton on Underground Wellness Radio. Sally
is also the President of the Weston A. Price Foundation. Listen in as
she destroys commonly-held health and nutrition myths and calls for a
return to traditional diets and food preparation. Visit the WAP
Foundation website at http://www.westonaprice.org Visit Sean's
Underground Wellness site at http://www.undergroundwellness.com

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There are 3-4 cars in the film that were built to run on 90-150 miles
per gallon [from the 30s and 40s]. The inventors were offered millions
to stop making the cars [one inventor disappeared].

The film is still not available.  If
enough people add the film to their queue on Netflix, then they'll
agree to carry
it!

http://www.netflix.com/Search?v1=Gas+Hole

If you'd like to see a trailer and learn more about the film, you can
check it out at http://www.gasholemovie.com/



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http://www.ournaturallife.com/blog/?p=311


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http://www.ournaturallife.com/blog/?p=279
Cathy will share an interview with Sally Fallon Morrell, president
and founder of the Weston A. Price Foundation. Sally will share her
story of how she discovered Price’s research, how it impacted her,
and how she started the Weston A. Price foundation which has become a
movement today.



http://www.ournaturallife.com/blog/?p=281

Cathy continues her conversation with Sally Fallon Morrell, founder
and president of the Weston A. Price Foundation. We hear about
benefits of membership, the upcoming conference, and resources from
New Trends Publishing.



Carolyn

Madison, WI

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You are supposed to take it before bed and not close to meals to avoid it
pulling the minerals from your food. Take it at night so that it can absorb
the heavy metals. I am starting slow on a half teaspoon. They suggest a
tablespoon every day. Not sure if it is alkaline.

Check out the web site below:
www.wolfcreekranch.net <http://www.wolfcreekranch.net>

www.wolfcreekranch.1.net <http://www.wolfcreekranch.1.net>


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> Yours Truly,
> Dan Holt
>
> On Jun 2, 2009, at 1:04 PM, Katrina Cabral <katwoman1934@...
> <mailto:katwoman1934%40gmail.com> > wrote:
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> Galen Knight, in a previous edition of Wise Traditions, said that he doesn¹t
> recommend any zeolite. He recommends diatomaceous earth instead. It¹s much
> cheaper too.
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> On 5/31/09 2:21 AM, "Daniel Holt" <danthemanholt@...
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Does it take out good minerals too?  Even with a top notch diet it's still
recommended to have a tablespoon a day at night?

Yours Truly,
Dan Holt

On Jun 4, 2009, at 1:03 PM, Katrina Cabral <katwoman1934@...> wrote:



You are supposed to take it before bed and not close to meals to avoid it
pulling the minerals from your food. Take it at night so that it can absorb
the heavy metals. I am starting slow on a half teaspoon. They suggest a
tablespoon every day. Not sure if it is alkaline.

Check out the web site below:
www.wolfcreekranch.net <http://www.wolfcreekranch.net>

www.wolfcreekranch.1.net <http://www.wolfcreekranch.1.net>

On 6/3/09 10:46 AM, "Daniel Holt" <danthemanholt@...> wrote:

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> Yours Truly,
> Dan Holt
>
> On Jun 2, 2009, at 1:04 PM, Katrina Cabral <katwoman1934@...
> <mailto:katwoman1934%40gmail.com> > wrote:
>
> Galen Knight, in a previous edition of Wise Traditions, said that he doesn’t
> recommend any zeolite. He recommends diatomaceous earth instead. It’s much
> cheaper too.
>
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>> month?
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>> any
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http://www.prweb.com/releases/2009/06/prweb2337914.htm

"Few people are aware that clean, raw milk from grass-fed cows was
actually used as a medicine in the early part of the last century,"
Brown says. "Clean, raw milk from pastured cows is a complete and
properly balanced food; you could live on it exclusively if you had to."

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Are the clinical metabolic type tests worth the fee or are the MT tests from
books accurate enough?  I took the MT test from "The Metabolic Typing Diet" by
William Wolcott.  It diagnosed me as a Mixed Type which seems accurate because
the only food I react to is sugar.  So would a fee test help or should I just
follow the recommendations in this book?  Thanks for any replies.

Can anyone recommend a good brand? This is very important.

--- In native-nutrition@yahoogroups.com, "Cray Fish" <crayfishfeed@...> wrote:
>
> Can anyone recommend a good brand? This is very important.

Radiant Recovery sells a whey protein isolate called George's Restore that is
free of sugars and nasty ingredients.  You do have to add your own flavorings
and liquid.

http://www.radiantrecoverystore.com/ingredients.html

From the store blurb:

"George's® Restore has a base of whey protein isolate (very pure) and a few
other things to create a taste, texture and flavor that is very pleasant.
Restore is very digestible and seems to be an ideal product for people with a
skittish gut. It is soothing and healing.

It is perfect for kids, and ideal for pregnant and nursing moms. Everyone who
tries it loves the taste. It does not have vitamins or a carb in it. Many people
use George's® Restore to up the protein level of their Original Shake. You can
also add George's® Restore to baking, soups, muffins, etc. Our cookbook called
Radiant Recipes gives a lot of ways to do this addition."

I think it is best and cheapest to make your own whey protein from raw milk. 
Otherwise the best whey protein on the market is immunopro whey protein.  You'll
want to google that.  Immunetree colostrum may be a good choice too,
www.immunetree.com but it is pasteurized.  Whey protein is best raw.

Yours Truly,
Dan Holt

On Jun 9, 2009, at 2:47 PM, "cbrown2008" <cbrown2008@...> wrote:



--- In native-nutrition@yahoogroups.com, "Cray Fish" <crayfishfeed@...> wrote:
>
> Can anyone recommend a good brand? This is very important.

Radiant Recovery sells a whey protein isolate called George's Restore that is
free of sugars and nasty ingredients. You do have to add your own flavorings and
liquid.

http://www.radiantrecoverystore.com/ingredients.html

From the store blurb:

"George's® Restore has a base of whey protein isolate (very pure) and a few
other things to create a taste, texture and flavor that is very pleasant.
Restore is very digestible and seems to be an ideal product for people with a
skittish gut. It is soothing and healing.

It is perfect for kids, and ideal for pregnant and nursing moms. Everyone who
tries it loves the taste. It does not have vitamins or a carb in it. Many people
use George's® Restore to up the protein level of their Original Shake. You can
also add George's® Restore to baking, soups, muffins, etc. Our cookbook called
Radiant Recipes gives a lot of ways to do this addition."




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Is this the one you are talking about?
http://www.iherb.com/Well-Wisdom-ImmunoPro-Rx-10-6-oz-300-g/4797?utm_source=g&ut\
m_medium=x&at=0

For where I live the Raw milk would be very expensive and I don't even think it
would be exclusively grass fed.

What about a product that I hear people talk about called Immunocal?

-- In native-nutrition@yahoogroups.com, Daniel Holt <danthemanholt@...> wrote:
>
> I think it is best and cheapest to make your own whey protein from raw milk. 
Otherwise the best whey protein on the market is immunopro whey protein.  You'll
want to google that.  Immunetree colostrum may be a good choice too,
www.immunetree.com but it is pasteurized.  Whey protein is best raw.
>
> Yours Truly,
> Dan Holt
>
> On Jun 9, 2009, at 2:47 PM, "cbrown2008" <cbrown2008@...> wrote:
>
>
>
> --- In native-nutrition@yahoogroups.com, "Cray Fish" <crayfishfeed@> wrote:
> >
> > Can anyone recommend a good brand? This is very important.
>
> Radiant Recovery sells a whey protein isolate called George's Restore that is
free of sugars and nasty ingredients. You do have to add your own flavorings and
liquid.
>
> http://www.radiantrecoverystore.com/ingredients.html
>
> From the store blurb:
>
> "George's® Restore has a base of whey protein isolate (very pure) and a few
other things to create a taste, texture and flavor that is very pleasant.
Restore is very digestible and seems to be an ideal product for people with a
skittish gut. It is soothing and healing.
>
> It is perfect for kids, and ideal for pregnant and nursing moms. Everyone who
tries it loves the taste. It does not have vitamins or a carb in it. Many people
use George's® Restore to up the protein level of their Original Shake. You can
also add George's® Restore to baking, soups, muffins, etc. Our cookbook called
Radiant Recipes gives a lot of ways to do this addition."
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Over here in Sacramento a gallon of raw milk is between $10-$14 dollars.

That will make you 80 oz of whey.  You would have 1.5-3oz a day.  That's cheaper
than buying whey online.

Immunical is cheese whey and isn't as strong as immunopro.  You may want to look
into that colostrum though as it may be a better value.  Well Wisdom states it
is nondenatured.  The only problem is it may not be high in cystine which is the
main benefit of whey.

Yours Truly,
Dan Holt

On Jun 9, 2009, at 4:12 PM, "Cray Fish" <crayfishfeed@...> wrote:



Is this the one you are talking about?
http://www.iherb.com/Well-Wisdom-ImmunoPro-Rx-10-6-oz-300-g/4797?utm_source=g&ut\
m_medium=x&at=0

For where I live the Raw milk would be very expensive and I don't even think it
would be exclusively grass fed.

What about a product that I hear people talk about called Immunocal?

-- In native-nutrition@yahoogroups.com, Daniel Holt <danthemanholt@...> wrote:
>
> I think it is best and cheapest to make your own whey protein from raw milk.
Otherwise the best whey protein on the market is immunopro whey protein. You'll
want to google that. Immunetree colostrum may be a good choice too,
www.immunetree.com but it is pasteurized. Whey protein is best raw.
>
> Yours Truly,
> Dan Holt
>
> On Jun 9, 2009, at 2:47 PM, "cbrown2008" <cbrown2008@...> wrote:
>
>
>
> --- In native-nutrition@yahoogroups.com, "Cray Fish" <crayfishfeed@> wrote:
> >
> > Can anyone recommend a good brand? This is very important.
>
> Radiant Recovery sells a whey protein isolate called George's Restore that is
free of sugars and nasty ingredients. You do have to add your own flavorings and
liquid.
>
> http://www.radiantrecoverystore.com/ingredients.html
>
> From the store blurb:
>
> "George's® Restore has a base of whey protein isolate (very pure) and a few
other things to create a taste, texture and flavor that is very pleasant.
Restore is very digestible and seems to be an ideal product for people with a
skittish gut. It is soothing and healing.
>
> It is perfect for kids, and ideal for pregnant and nursing moms. Everyone who
tries it loves the taste. It does not have vitamins or a carb in it. Many people
use George's® Restore to up the protein level of their Original Shake. You can
also add George's® Restore to baking, soups, muffins, etc. Our cookbook called
Radiant Recipes gives a lot of ways to do this addition."
>
>
>
>
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--- In native-nutrition@yahoogroups.com, "Cray Fish" <crayfishfeed@...> wrote:
>
> Can anyone recommend a good brand? This is very important.
>

I haven't had the other mentioned immunocal proteins. I like proteinfactory.com
bio-fresh whey. Guaranteed from the cow to the bag in 48 hours. Best tasting
whey I have ever had and mixes extremely well. You can order your powders
unflavored and unsweetened or sweetened with stevia.

http://proteinfactory.com/shop/product.php?productid=1002&cat=1&page=1 [

Does anyone have any nutritional or natural therapy tips or information
to help lymphedema??  It seems that I may have it and it's getting worse
not better. =(

My sister has it, officially diagnosed as she has medical insurance.
She also has the same autoimmune thyroid disorder that I have.

Thanks!

Dawn

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090609/ap_on_bi_ge/us_med_unproven_remedies_safety

Tests show many supplements have quality problems
By MARILYNN MARCHIONE, AP Medical Writer Marilynn Marchione, Ap
Medical Writer Tue Jun 9, 12:48 pm ET

Lead in ginkgo pills. Arsenic in herbals. Bugs in a baby's colic and
teething syrup. Toxic metals and parasites are part of nature, and all
of these have been found in "natural" products and dietary supplements
in recent years.

Set aside the issue of whether vitamin and herbal supplements do any good.

Are they safe? Is what's on the label really what's in the bottle?
Tests by researchers and private labs suggest the answer sometimes is
no.

One quarter of supplements tested by an independent company over the
last decade have had some sort of problem. Some contained
contaminants. Others had contents that did not match label claims.
Some had ingredients that exceeded safe limits. Some contained real
drugs masquerading as natural supplements.

"We buy it just as the consumer buys it" from stores, said Dr. Tod
Cooperman, president of ConsumerLab.com. The company tests pills for
makers that want its seal of approval, and publishes ratings for
subscribers, much as Consumer Reports does with household goods.

Other tests, reported in scientific journals, found prenatal vitamins
lacking claimed amounts of iodine, and supplements short on ginseng
and hoodia — an African plant sparking the latest diet craze.

"There's at least 10 times more hoodia sold in this country than made
in the world, so people are not getting hoodia," said Dr. Mehmet Oz, a
heart surgeon and frequent Oprah Winfrey guest who occasionally has
touted the stuff.

Industry groups say that quality problems are the exception rather
than the rule.

"I believe that the problem is narrow, that the well-established and
reputable brands deserve their reputations," said Michael McGuffin,
president of the American Herbal Products Association.

Of course, prescription drugs have had problems, too. Dozens of deaths
were linked last year to tainted heparin, a blood thinner produced in
China, for example. However, pharmaceutical drugs must show evidence
to the government of safety and effectiveness before they go on sale.
Not so for dietary supplements.

Fifteen years ago, Congress passed a law that treats supplements like
food and allows them to go straight to market without federal Food and
Drug Administration approval. The FDA can act only after consumers get
sick or a safety issue comes to light.

"We called it 'the body rule,'" said William Obermeyer, a chemist who
left the FDA to found ConsumerLab.com with Cooperman. If a supplement
was harmful, "we had to have so many adverse events before we could
make a move on it. It was really like closing the barn door after all
the animals left."

The law said the FDA could write quality control rules for products
sold in the U.S. It took the FDA 13 years to adopt these, and they are
just now taking effect. But the rules do not say what tests companies
must do to prove what is in their products, and some tests can be
fooled by subbing other ingredients. The rules also set no limits on
toxins such as lead; nor do they change the fundamental way these
products are sold to the public.

"It leaves the level of quality up to the manufacturer," Cooperman said.

In a written statement, FDA spokeswoman Susan Cruzan said the new
rules contain what is "needed to ensure quality," and that products
that contain contaminants or whose labels do not honestly describe
their contents, are considered adulterated and subject to further
action by the agency. But she conceded that the agency is spread thin.

"In that FDA has limited resources to analyze the composition of food
products, including dietary supplements, it focuses these resources
first on public health emergencies and products that may have caused
injury or illness," she wrote.

Millions of Americans take vitamin, herbal or other dietary
supplements. Annual sales exceed $23 billion, and more than 40,000
products are on the market. Tens of thousands of supplement-related
health problems are handled by U.S. poison control centers each year,
according to a report in the New England Journal of Medicine in 2002.

Until last year, supplement makers were not required to report
problems to the FDA, and even now they must report only serious ones.
The agency estimates that more than 50,000 safety problems a year are
related to supplement use.

The Institute of Medicine, an independent science panel that advises
the government, studied the situation in 2005.

"The committee is concerned about the quality of dietary supplements
in the United States. Product reliability is low," says its report,
which urged amending the 1994 law to tighten consumer protections.

Trade associations say the FDA's new rules do that.

"We are FDA-regulated products," though not in the same way as
prescription or over-the-counter drugs, said Steven Mister, president
of the Council for Responsible Nutrition.

The FDA can ask law enforcement to act against any company selling an
adulterated product, said McGuffin of the herbal products association.
"You can go to jail, you can have your company seized," he said.

"We represent companies that we consider the responsible center of the
industry," who are working to comply with the new rules, he said.

But his group only represents 250 of the 1,500 companies selling such
products. And even though millions of people take supplements with no
apparent ill effects, there have been many quality problems that a
consumer might never realize because they don't always produce
symptoms:

_CONTAMINANTS

ConsumerLab.com found lead in at least one brand each of zinc, black
cohosh and ginkgo products tested in recent years. Lead can accumulate
and cause many health problems, and the testing company wants a
national limit of 0.5 micrograms per day — a level that in California
requires a warning on the label.

A fungal toxin was found in four red yeast rice products in March
2008. And in 2007, federal officials warned about a liquid herbal
supplement sold for colic and teething pain after finding
cryptosporidium, a waterborne parasite that causes severe diarrhea.

Ayurvedics — popular herbals used in traditional medicines from India
— often contain hazardous metals, studies in medical journals report.
In 2004, researchers tested 70 ayurvedic remedies in the Boston area
and found that one in five had potentially harmful levels of lead,
mercury or arsenic. Tests in Houston, Chicago, San Francisco and New
York City turned up similar results.

Metals naturally accumulate in certain herbs and come from the soil
they are grown in. Many supplement ingredients come from Europe, India
and China.

"We don't know how much of the ingredients are imported — whether
they're coming from across town or across the world," Mister of the
trade association conceded.

But even manufacturers get duped, said Jana Hildreth of the Analytical
Research Collective, a group of scientists advocating better
supplement testing.

"Companies started going to China and demanding lower prices," and
unscrupulous suppliers sometimes spiked products with cheap
ingredients that can trick lab tests, she said. An example: a
buckwheat derivative, rutin, in place of pricier ginkgo.

_POTENCY PROBLEMS

In ConsumerLab.com testing last November, four out of seven
supplements contained less ginkgo than claimed on their labels, and
one failed to break apart properly to release its ingredients. Seven
out of nine failed in tests in 2003, as did six out of 13 in 2005.

"It is now believed that ginkgo is among the most adulterated herbs,"
the company reports.

Tests by California scientists of two dozen ginseng supplements,
reported in a nutrition journal in 2001, found that many differed from
their labels. The concentrations of some ginseng compounds varied by
up to 200-fold from product to product.

In ConsumerLab.com tests, six out of nine chondroitin supplements
failed testing in April 2007. One had only 8 percent of what it
claimed to contain, and one "maximum strength" product had none.

Vitamins and minerals had problems, too. A "high potency" iron
supplement contained less than half the amount claimed. Of 23
top-selling vitamin C pills, one provided less than half the amount
promised; the suggested dosages of some others were beyond recommended
safe levels. Of 10 vitamin A supplements, one provided twice its
stated amount, raising concern about toxic side effects.

Last year, nearly 200 people were sickened by supplements containing
up to 200 times the amount of selenium stated on the label. Symptoms
included hair loss, discolored and painful fingernails, muscle cramps,
joint pain, diarrhea and fatigue.

_HIDDEN PRESCRIPTION DRUGS

The FDA has repeatedly warned about herbal pills found to contain
versions of Viagra and similar drugs to help men get an erection.
These can pose a heart hazard, especially when taken with certain
medications.

In December, the FDA expanded warnings about dozens of brands of
weight loss pills. Though the labels did not say so, some contained
sibutramine, a controlled substance that poses heart risks;
rimonabant, a drug not approved in the United States; a seizure
medicine, and a diuretic.

Red yeast rice, a traditional Chinese medicine, has compounds that may
block cholesterol in a way similar to statin drugs. Some red yeast
rice products have been found to contain lovastatin, the active
ingredient in the drug Mevacor. Problems can occur at high doses or
with other medicines.

_OTHER RISKS

Even "safe" supplements can be harmful. Beta-carotene takers still had
increased rates of lung cancer six years after one study was stopped.
These supplements "appear to increase rates of the disease,
particularly among smokers," the National Cancer Institute warns.

In another study, men taking vitamin E were slightly more likely to
get prostate cancer, and those taking selenium were a little more
likely to develop diabetes. The results could have been due to chance,
but federal officials were taking no chances and stopped the study
last October.

Other studies suggest that high doses of vitamin C may help shield
cancer cells from treatments designed to kill the cancer.

"Antioxidants are not the magic bullets that the supplement industry
would like consumers to believe," said David Schardt, a nutrition
expert with the consumer advocacy group, the Center for Science in the
Public Interest. "They're not even necessarily benign."

Herbal sex pills containing the African tree bark extract yohimbe have
landed men in hospitals with heart rhythm problems. This herb can
cause high blood pressure, increased heart rate and other symptoms,
the government warns.

The most serious side effects occurred with diet pills containing
ephedra — heart problems, seizures and even deaths. The FDA banned it
in 2004. The battle started in 1997, when the agency wanted strong
warnings on labels, and it became a test case of FDA authority that
went all the way to the U.S. Supreme Court, where the FDA ultimately
prevailed.

_DRUG INTERACTIONS

Ginkgo, vitamin K, garlic, ginseng and other herbals can cause
bleeding or clotting problems if taken with certain medications or
before surgery. St. John's wort, promoted for depression, affects
metabolism of more than half of all prescription drugs and can
undermine birth control pills. Other supplements that can interfere
with medicines include glucosamine, saw palmetto, soy and valerian.

_OVERSTATED HEALTH CLAIMS

Makers can say a supplement addresses a nutrient deficiency, supports
health, or reduces the risk of developing a problem, but then must say
the product "is not intended to diagnose, treat, cure, or prevent any
disease."

So consumers will see vague claims, such as "promotes healthy immune
system function." The immune system has dozens of parts, and modifying
one can be helpful or harmful, so "it's a quack concept," said Dr.
Stephen Barrett, a retired physician who runs Quackwatch, a Web site
on medical scams.

The Federal Trade Commission has stepped up actions against deceptive
ads, said commission lawyer Rich Cleland.

"It is a little like playing Whack-A-Mole," because each time one
problem is resolved, more seem to pop up, he said.

Last year, his agency reached a settlement against the makers of
Airborne, a supplement aimed at people in crowded places such as
airplanes, offices and schools. Company founders "made false claims
that Airborne products are clinically proven to treat colds," and
there is also no evidence the products can prevent colds, the FTC
complaint says.

Airborne's makers agreed to add $6.5 million to the $23.5 million they
had already agreed to pay to settle a related private class-action
lawsuit, bringing the total settlement fund to $30 million.

Industry also has stepped up self-policing. The Council for
Responsible Nutrition gave money to the Council of Better Business
Bureaus so it could hire a lawyer to investigate some supplement
sellers' sketchy claims.

"There were cancer cures and 'blast off 29 pounds in 39 days' — really
the Wild West of advertising. It was totally out of control," said the
BBB's advertising division director, Andrea Levine.

The BBB council targets the worst claims in popular categories, such
as diet, cold and flu, menopause, joint problems and sleep aids.

"We can't do them all," but want to send a broad signal about what
kinds of claims are over the line for each type of product, she said.

___
Kelvin

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Mary Newport. Before treatment, Steve could barely remember how to
draw a clock. Two weeks after adding coconut oil to his diet, his
drawing improved. After 37 days, Steve's drawing gained even more
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I took the test from that book also and came up as a mixed type. That was before
I found WAPF. Since I came up as a mixed type, I just kept eating what I was
eating at the time rather than following the book. Now I eat a low-carb WAPF
type diet. This is what works for me.

Weston A. Price did not believe in metabolic typing. see this article.
http://www.westonaprice.org/basicnutrition/right_price.html

--- In native-nutrition@yahoogroups.com, "ccmg1234" <ccmg5678@...> wrote:
>
> Are the clinical metabolic type tests worth the fee or are the MT tests from
books accurate enough?  I took the MT test from "The Metabolic Typing Diet" by
William Wolcott.  It diagnosed me as a Mixed Type which seems accurate because
the only food I react to is sugar.  So would a fee test help or should I just
follow the recommendations in this book?  Thanks for any replies.
>

the first ingredient is soy protein isolate. Ugh!

--- In native-nutrition@yahoogroups.com, "cbrown2008" <cbrown2008@...> wrote:
>
> --- In native-nutrition@yahoogroups.com, "Cray Fish" <crayfishfeed@> wrote:
> >
> > Can anyone recommend a good brand? This is very important.
>
> Radiant Recovery sells a whey protein isolate called George's Restore that is
free of sugars and nasty ingredients.  You do have to add your own flavorings
and liquid.
>
> http://www.radiantrecoverystore.com/ingredients.html
>
> From the store blurb:
>
> "George's® Restore has a base of whey protein isolate (very pure) and a few
other things to create a taste, texture and flavor that is very pleasant.
Restore is very digestible and seems to be an ideal product for people with a
skittish gut. It is soothing and healing.
>
> It is perfect for kids, and ideal for pregnant and nursing moms. Everyone who
tries it loves the taste. It does not have vitamins or a carb in it. Many people
use George's® Restore to up the protein level of their Original Shake. You can
also add George's® Restore to baking, soups, muffins, etc. Our cookbook called
Radiant Recipes gives a lot of ways to do this addition."
>

sorry. I looked at the first one on the link, not the Restore.

--- In native-nutrition@yahoogroups.com, "carolyn_graff" <zgraff@...> wrote:
>
> the first ingredient is soy protein isolate. Ugh!
>
> --- In native-nutrition@yahoogroups.com, "cbrown2008" <cbrown2008@> wrote:
> >
> > --- In native-nutrition@yahoogroups.com, "Cray Fish" <crayfishfeed@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Can anyone recommend a good brand? This is very important.
> >
> > Radiant Recovery sells a whey protein isolate called George's Restore that
is free of sugars and nasty ingredients.  You do have to add your own flavorings
and liquid.
> >
> > http://www.radiantrecoverystore.com/ingredients.html
> >
> > From the store blurb:
> >
> > "George's® Restore has a base of whey protein isolate (very pure) and a few
other things to create a taste, texture and flavor that is very pleasant.
Restore is very digestible and seems to be an ideal product for people with a
skittish gut. It is soothing and healing.
> >
> > It is perfect for kids, and ideal for pregnant and nursing moms. Everyone
who tries it loves the taste. It does not have vitamins or a carb in it. Many
people use George's® Restore to up the protein level of their Original Shake.
You can also add George's® Restore to baking, soups, muffins, etc. Our cookbook
called Radiant Recipes gives a lot of ways to do this addition."
> >
>

--- In native-nutrition@yahoogroups.com, "carolyn_graff" <zgraff@...> wrote:
>
> sorry. I looked at the first one on the link, not the Restore.

yeah my thoughts too on the soy.. ugh.

But doesn't whey only stay good for a couple of weeks when separated? and then I
don't enjoy the cream cheese very much. Then you need something like bread or
crackers for to eat the cheese, products I am trying to stay away from. For me
it wouldn't be a good use of raw milk, I'd rather drink the milk. I can't get
milk for that price here. Alone by the gallon, it's around the same price but
then you have to pay some drop off fee that tacks another 20 dollars on. I can
get goat milk from whole foods (golden Fleece) but the quality is poor, it's
consistency is almost like water.



--- In native-nutrition@yahoogroups.com, Daniel Holt <danthemanholt@...> wrote:
>
> Over here in Sacramento a gallon of raw milk is between $10-$14 dollars.
>
> That will make you 80 oz of whey.  You would have 1.5-3oz a day.  That's
cheaper than buying whey online.
>
> Immunical is cheese whey and isn't as strong as immunopro.  You may want to
look into that colostrum though as it may be a better value.  Well Wisdom states
it is nondenatured.  The only problem is it may not be high in cystine which is
the main benefit of whey.
>
> Yours Truly,
> Dan Holt
>
> On Jun 9, 2009, at 4:12 PM, "Cray Fish" <crayfishfeed@...> wrote:
>
>
>
> Is this the one you are talking about?
http://www.iherb.com/Well-Wisdom-ImmunoPro-Rx-10-6-oz-300-g/4797?utm_source=g&ut\
m_medium=x&at=0
>
> For where I live the Raw milk would be very expensive and I don't even think
it would be exclusively grass fed.
>
> What about a product that I hear people talk about called Immunocal?
>
> -- In native-nutrition@yahoogroups.com, Daniel Holt <danthemanholt@> wrote:
> >
> > I think it is best and cheapest to make your own whey protein from raw milk.
Otherwise the best whey protein on the market is immunopro whey protein. You'll
want to google that. Immunetree colostrum may be a good choice too,
www.immunetree.com but it is pasteurized. Whey protein is best raw.
> >
> > Yours Truly,
> > Dan Holt
> >
> > On Jun 9, 2009, at 2:47 PM, "cbrown2008" <cbrown2008@> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In native-nutrition@yahoogroups.com, "Cray Fish" <crayfishfeed@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Can anyone recommend a good brand? This is very important.
> >
> > Radiant Recovery sells a whey protein isolate called George's Restore that
is free of sugars and nasty ingredients. You do have to add your own flavorings
and liquid.
> >
> > http://www.radiantrecoverystore.com/ingredients.html
> >
> > From the store blurb:
> >
> > "George's® Restore has a base of whey protein isolate (very pure) and a few
other things to create a taste, texture and flavor that is very pleasant.
Restore is very digestible and seems to be an ideal product for people with a
skittish gut. It is soothing and healing.
> >
> > It is perfect for kids, and ideal for pregnant and nursing moms. Everyone
who tries it loves the taste. It does not have vitamins or a carb in it. Many
people use George's® Restore to up the protein level of their Original Shake.
You can also add George's® Restore to baking, soups, muffins, etc. Our cookbook
called Radiant Recipes gives a lot of ways to do this addition."
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Greg,

do you know if this comes from pastured cows and processed at low temps and the
whole nine yards? If this becomes powdered whey in 48 hours, i wonder how long
it's taking other manufacturers.

--- In native-nutrition@yahoogroups.com, "greg.webs" <greg.webs@...> wrote:
>
> --- In native-nutrition@yahoogroups.com, "Cray Fish" <crayfishfeed@> wrote:
> >
> > Can anyone recommend a good brand? This is very important.
> >
>
> I haven't had the other mentioned immunocal proteins. I like
proteinfactory.com bio-fresh whey. Guaranteed from the cow to the bag in 48
hours. Best tasting whey I have ever had and mixes extremely well. You can order
your powders unflavored and unsweetened or sweetened with stevia.
>
> http://proteinfactory.com/shop/product.php?productid=1002&cat=1&page=1 [
>

Greg,

Is proteinfactory.com's CFM Whey Isolate as good as their bio-fresh whey?
I have been using that for awhile.  It also mixes easily and the unflavored is
good tasting.
I will switch to the bio-fresh if it is superior.

Thanks,
Pamela

--- On Tue, 6/9/09, greg.webs <greg.webs@...> wrote:

From: greg.webs <greg.webs@...>
Subject: [NN] Re: Whey protein
To: native-nutrition@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, June 9, 2009, 9:54 PM

















       --- In native-nutrition@ yahoogroups. com, "Cray Fish" <crayfishfeed@ ...>
wrote:

>

> Can anyone recommend a good brand? This is very important.

>



I haven't had the other mentioned immunocal proteins. I like proteinfactory. com
bio-fresh whey. Guaranteed from the cow to the bag in 48 hours. Best tasting
whey I have ever had and mixes extremely well. You can order your powders
unflavored and unsweetened or sweetened with stevia.



http://proteinfacto ry.com/shop/ product.php? productid= 1002&cat= 1&page=1 [































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Someone told me whey stays good for up to two months.  Raw milk doesn't spoil,
it sours and ferments instead.  You can preserve raw whey for longer by keeping
it in the refrigerator or the freezer.

So many of the health benefits are lost once whey had been pasteurized.  You
mine as well get the "nondenatured" whey instead.

The growth factors and the cystine is destroyed in the process of heating, which
is excellent for muscle building and health.  Those are really the two only
benefits to whey protein anyway.  Pasteurized whey is worthless.

$20 isn't expensive to make your own whey.  It's cheaper and far better quality.
That will last you a month.  You can use the 48 oz of curds to make cheese. 
www.cheesemaking.com

Yours Truly,
Dan Holt

On Jun 10, 2009, at 9:48 AM, "Cray Fish" <crayfishfeed@...> wrote:



But doesn't whey only stay good for a couple of weeks when separated? and then I
don't enjoy the cream cheese very much. Then you need something like bread or
crackers for to eat the cheese, products I am trying to stay away from. For me
it wouldn't be a good use of raw milk, I'd rather drink the milk. I can't get
milk for that price here. Alone by the gallon, it's around the same price but
then you have to pay some drop off fee that tacks another 20 dollars on. I can
get goat milk from whole foods (golden Fleece) but the quality is poor, it's
consistency is almost like water.

--- In native-nutrition@yahoogroups.com, Daniel Holt <danthemanholt@...> wrote:
>
> Over here in Sacramento a gallon of raw milk is between $10-$14 dollars.
>
> That will make you 80 oz of whey. You would have 1.5-3oz a day. That's cheaper
than buying whey online.
>
> Immunical is cheese whey and isn't as strong as immunopro. You may want to
look into that colostrum though as it may be a better value. Well Wisdom states
it is nondenatured. The only problem is it may not be high in cystine which is
the main benefit of whey.
>
> Yours Truly,
> Dan Holt
>
> On Jun 9, 2009, at 4:12 PM, "Cray Fish" <crayfishfeed@...> wrote:
>
>
>
> Is this the one you are talking about?
http://www.iherb.com/Well-Wisdom-ImmunoPro-Rx-10-6-oz-300-g/4797?utm_source=g&ut\
m_medium=x&at=0
>
> For where I live the Raw milk would be very expensive and I don't even think
it would be exclusively grass fed.
>
> What about a product that I hear people talk about called Immunocal?
>
> -- In native-nutrition@yahoogroups.com, Daniel Holt <danthemanholt@> wrote:
> >
> > I think it is best and cheapest to make your own whey protein from raw milk.
Otherwise the best whey protein on the market is immunopro whey protein. You'll
want to google that. Immunetree colostrum may be a good choice too,
www.immunetree.com but it is pasteurized. Whey protein is best raw.
> >
> > Yours Truly,
> > Dan Holt
> >
> > On Jun 9, 2009, at 2:47 PM, "cbrown2008" <cbrown2008@> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In native-nutrition@yahoogroups.com, "Cray Fish" <crayfishfeed@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Can anyone recommend a good brand? This is very important.
> >
> > Radiant Recovery sells a whey protein isolate called George's Restore that
is free of sugars and nasty ingredients. You do have to add your own flavorings
and liquid.
> >
> > http://www.radiantrecoverystore.com/ingredients.html
> >
> > From the store blurb:
> >
> > "George's® Restore has a base of whey protein isolate (very pure) and a few
other things to create a taste, texture and flavor that is very pleasant.
Restore is very digestible and seems to be an ideal product for people with a
skittish gut. It is soothing and healing.
> >
> > It is perfect for kids, and ideal for pregnant and nursing moms. Everyone
who tries it loves the taste. It does not have vitamins or a carb in it. Many
people use George's® Restore to up the protein level of their Original Shake.
You can also add George's® Restore to baking, soups, muffins, etc. Our cookbook
called Radiant Recipes gives a lot of ways to do this addition."
> >
> >
> >
> >
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